1985 10:23 Sat Jun 4
UK prison sentences - The Big Question
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Harry Shilling brings in 31 machine guns into UK.
Sentence = jailed for 30 years. Will serve a minimum of 20 behind bars.
Ian Watkins, Lost Prophets (babies etc)
Sentence = 29 years. Eligible for parole just before 20 years in prison.
Not saying that Shilling's offence wasn't bad...yes, if those machine guns fell into the wrong hands there COULD have been a Paris-style massacre on the streets of Britain.
But really? Does WHO see the two offenders as deserving of similar sentences? The courts obviously do.
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Sniper
12:58 Wed Jun 8
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For ridiculous sentencing in its truest form, just google Brock turner, the attempted rapist given 6 months and will probably serve 3 more miles ting an unconscious woman's heart is the obscene nature of the us prosecution process. Oh and his dad also appealed a big sentence in court saying that That the turmoil his son already suffered was a harsh enough punishment for '20 minutes of action'
Yes, really
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joe royal
3:28 Tue Jun 7
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Lily Hammer 11:53 Tue Jun 7
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Like cutting a hand off for stealing?
I've often wondered just how hungry you have to be to steal food if that is the outcome of getting caught.
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orwells tragedy
11:57 Tue Jun 7
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I don't see why we can't execute these people like we do the terrorists we execute in foreign countries. We could even give them a trial by jury first.
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Chopper Toshack
11:55 Tue Jun 7
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Brand. Them.
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mashed in maryland
11:53 Tue Jun 7
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Well let's be really honest, if you take into account indirect consequences, you probably couldn't get much more serious than gun running.
Real miscarriages of justice happen all the time (repeat nonces getting community orders same week as reasonably regular law abiding people getting locked up for non-violent drug crimes or stupid drunken punch-ups) and while it'd be nice to see this paedo getting hanged drawn & quartered, it ain't gonna happen, and 20-odd years is probably a pretty reasonable sentence for the other bloke, he probably knew he was looking at something like that.
Plus what Russ said, they're completely different sorts of crime.
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Lily Hammer
11:53 Tue Jun 7
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Vaguely remember an episode of Star Trekk Next Generation where the crew visited a planet where there was no crime; a utopia.
They find out why they had such a low crime rate when the son of the Enterprise's doctor accidentally tramples a flower in a flower bed and is told that unfortunaltely he will have to be executed, as all crime, be it murder, theft, kiddy fiddling or even trampling flowers, is punishable by death.
About time we took a leaf out of that planet's book. That's what I cvall tough on crime.
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Toe Rag
11:49 Tue Jun 7
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I doubt that Huckle will ever walk the streets again.
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Rossal
11:43 Tue Jun 7
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Both locked up for a very long time
Thats all that matters
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threesixty
11:34 Tue Jun 7
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The main reason for prison is the deterrent not actual punishment really. Once something has been done, it's done. No one wins really. The only thing you can do is take someone off the streets so they cant do it again and give a detterent to others.
That's the main reason why financial crimes get such high sentences. The same with gun running one. The guns could have been used to murder hundreds of people. These guys made it possible (albeit slightly indirectly) for these murders to happen.
If you give them a normal sentence everyone will be at it!
Think about the deterrent, not the actual punishment and you will understand things a bit more.
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Russ of the BML
11:03 Tue Jun 7
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The difficulty here is people making their own comparison of seriousness of crime based on morality.
Whilst I understand that thought process I don't think you can implement it for actual court decisions.
Yes, paedophilia and child molestation are, in my opinion and many others, viewed as the lowest of the low and even many think should be punishable by death. But then arms smuggling, whilst people are not being directly harmed by the actual act of the smuggling. The eventual damage these arms can do to people and families is awful. And possibly on a much wider scale.
But the two offences are so difficult to compare it's hardly worth trying.
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joe royal
10:58 Tue Jun 7
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Wikki
Huckle was prosecuted under the rarely used Section 72 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 which allows British nationals to be tried and convicted for child sex crimes committed while overseas,[26] known as extraterritorial jurisdiction, a move which was welcomed by child protection charities.[4][27]
This is a rarely used section of the Act and, while no official record is kept, it is believed that Huckle is only the seventh person to be prosecuted under the measure and that his crimes are definitely the most serious to be prosecuted under it.[10][28]
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joe royal
10:51 Tue Jun 7
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I can't work out why that bloke from Kent (KENT) was tried and imprisoned here and not in Malaysia .
Any clues why not?
Gary glitter was tried and locked up in Vietnam .
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mashed in maryland
9:54 Tue Jun 7
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Arms smuggling isn't exactly a petty crime tbf. Pretty sure it carries the death sentence across a lot of the world. The bloke probably made fortunes, 20-odd years isn't *THAT* much, big time drug smugglers often get similar, and again the punishment is often death. Plus you've got to remember what guns are actually in the world to do... people smuggling guns into this country are indirectly responsible for countless murders. I reckon he got a reasonable sentence.
That nonce on the other hand, it's absolutely baffling that he'll be able to potentially walk the streets again. Although when you look at how lenient judges often are with paedos, that sentence isn't *that* light. Although obviously in an ideal world he'd be tortured to death.
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claret on my shirt
8:53 Mon Jun 6
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Yes i think both are great sentences because it sends out a message that says, do either and your lifes as good as over.
Also if a Jihadist brings in 31 AK47's we'd all want him banged up for life and rightly so. So why should Shillings be any different.
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1985
7:28 Mon Jun 6
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A British man has been given 22 life sentences after admitting 71 charges of sex abuse against children in Malaysia aged from six months to 12 years old.
Police believe Richard Huckle, 30, from Ashford, Kent, abused up to 200 children from mainly poor communities.
The Old Bailey judge described a 60-page paedophile manual Huckle wrote as a "truly evil document" and said he must serve at least 23 years in jail.
A woman in the public gallery shouted: "1,000 deaths is too good for you".
In online posts, Huckle had bragged: "Impoverished kids are definitely much easier to seduce than middle-class Western kids."
Commenting on one of his victims, he boasted: "I'd hit the jackpot, a 3yo girl as loyal to me as my dog and nobody seemed to care."
So, 22 life sentences means he could be out after 23 years?
23 YEARS?
Listen, I'm not saying the machine gun smuggling was not serious, but that fella is getting a comparable sentence to the baby rapists. Seems a bit odd.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
4:33 Mon Jun 6
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I'm loving the 'if' in 'if those machine guns fell into the wrong hands'. Who the fuck has a 'right' reason for the illegal purchase of 31 machine guns?
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stomper
8:43 Sun Jun 5
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Over here they have a crime of Vehicular Homicide. Mind you they also have a crime of 'suicide by cop'
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Darlo Debs
8:40 Sun Jun 5
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I have heard of a judge and a high ranking police officer calling for manslughter to be used instread of causing death by dangerous driving in light of the rise of hit and runs.
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bruuuno
7:38 Sun Jun 5
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Men's rea innit
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Chigwell
5:53 Sun Jun 5
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Animal is right about the difference between driving offence(s) and manslaughter, which requires the prosecution to prove that the accused foresaw the risk of death or injury, and ran it.
Driving offences such as causing death by dangerous driving are committed regardless of the intention or knowledge of the accused. They are therefore treated less seriously on sentence.
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Animal
2:26 Sun Jun 5
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Darlo, they can't be amalgamated, they're totally different.
noone sensible is calling for it.
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